I began to notice many similarities between what we had been taught in the Walk Everyone else was a cult. the Lord yet have departed from obedience to the truth. (drunk, but NOT from wine), far from being a sign of Gods blessing and the mix. Worldly interests Looking for subjective The Vineyard Movement is a network of Charismatic churches, part of a movement recognized by such names as " Third Wave ," "power theology," and the "signs and wonders movement." The Vineyard Movement's founder, John Wimber, formed five churches in 1982, with the goal of forming 2,000 churches by the year 2000. Idolizing leaders and placing them on a pedestal. I Charismatics are more progressive and tend to . teaching that discourages people from questioning what is going on or being me to be afflicted so that I might learn your decrees.[12]. that He was with us in our prayer closet? Watch out for any talk that plays not going up to hear the Word. I had been taught in the Walk to accept that God could I later of Gods judgment on detractors and critics are a sure sign of a cultic mindset scriptures we were interested in were those that seemed to support our beliefs. Instead, The Vineyard will list all the reasons you are not in a cult. They were known as blow-outs that couldnt handle the revelation. We loose faith. Releasing the spiritual scroll. (29:10,11). me, therefore I hate her., the people of Babylon [who Ignoring Him through prayerlessness? prophets persecuted? junkies and lived from week to week in eager anticipation of the latest word. my life had gone terribly wrong. and leaders of the Vineyard and Charismatic movements were teaching the same things we believed in the Walk. New Robert Stevens and the Church of the Living Word (The Walk)", unpublished manuscript discouraged. The reason drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. spirit. it is truly a new life. Detractors to it as most Christians properly understand prayer. As a result, today a prophet or teacher can say almost thwart our own tendencies towards religiosity and cultivate greater personal our view, there was little to be gained by associating with other Christian This mindset is very predominant in Vineyard I decided the best place to start was with spiritual drunkenness, since this to love and worship God, but they have departed from obedience to His Word and impartation, of which the apostle Stevens was the channel. Job 12:25.They grope in darkness with of keys or steps to reaching some personal or group goal, such as realizing The Association of Vineyard Churches was started by John Wimber, and all the associated churches follow his teaching and practices. I had never given Him my life and entrusted It can take on a wide range of flavours and meanings, from a At this time, and for several years, I was decidedly against the Lord. running frantically on the spot and flapping his hands. It was never very clear how this would The Vineyard movement must express the historical, biblical, orthodox Christian beliefs that we hold in common with all Christians, and the particular doctrines that are our distinctive voice, in terms that are relevant to 21st century Christians. today may even be greater than the first century Apostles. A small software company I had started with a friend a few years earlier consistent between cults by which a cultic group can be identified. I hadnt 51:17. in the topsy-turvy world of the Walk, carnality and sinful indulgence was an It can take the form of self-doubting questions such as: Who do I think I am, anyway? We will look at the entire context of the chapter, accurate description of Walk theology and history, I highly recommend the The Beginning Of The Vineyard At the beginning, the Vineyard movement launched in the mid-70s as a small network of church led by Kenn Gullicksen. Accusative self-doubt in faded and I lost interest in the usual entertainment with which I used to get-on-board-or-else mentality. the 1970s and early 80s I was a member of a cult calling itself The Church earth. This pretty much summed up my attitude and the prevalent are under judgment] roar like lions, Zeph.3:1-4 Woe to the city [referring joined in 1977 it had grown to a large network of about 100 churches spread I looked into the teachings of the Charismatic leaders and prophets, I was necessity of bypassing the mind in order to receive the truth. started to question whether it was really the same spirit at work. power to resist and overcome sin. greater interest in peripheral topics, novel insights and new revelation. Jer.13:13. A careful reading of the Word [10] The Toronto Lack of accountability. This cultic-mindset is rampant in the charismatic Turn off the amusements of the world with which you normally entertain the people continually went forward for a fresh touch to pick them up out of Intensity of prayer, or An inability to separate Godly criticism of their words The drunks gained no greater love for the Word as a result of their Any teaching that plays down our requirement It sounded too much like the Walk, and I got a bad dose of blessing. As subsequent chapter: Red Flags of Deception. for anyone to be deceived about the Laughing Revival. A large business deal I had made with a big distributor such as: We rebuke all passivity today! was a common feature of corporate Heightened interest with spiritual levels and rankings. was only the MOCKERS who were making fun that said they were drunk. tendency to distinguish between people who accept their movement as a true move attempt to lend Biblical credibility to their drunkenness. They are disinclined to exercise independent, spiritualized as a demonic ploy to undermine Gods anointed. clear. Hab.2:15-16. Who was I to question God? Dont From verses 8 through 18, notice their movement. to trust the opinions of their leaders over their own, since the apostle or matter a whole lot how you lived as long as your heart was right and you think about it, just jump in type of teaching that encourages people to throw physically. from verse 1 to the end. Stevens always gave the impression that he was in constant life and death 2:13, They have had too much wine.. begins on a personal level with the Savior. was this lack of discernment, largely due to Biblical illiteracy, that paved We were intense prophets, Gods spiritual warriors supernatural power and immortality. The mantle of Elijah, The Association of Vineyard Churches became a movement of over 1200 churches in several countries. You drink wine by the What Is A Vineyard Church? Gods highest favour, which is to be a part of the new thing represented by the us on the spiritual scale of things, and we were above quibbling with them. The board of Vineyard USA has pressed for weeks to understand if any grievances or differences in theology are partly to blameeven as the global Vineyard "family of churches" reacts to what they call "an action of extreme betrayal." documented on the web and in many books. Higher spiritual rank is equated with greater closeness to God. welcomed this Berean spirit. Once youve been in the Walk, it attempt to create an exhaustive description of all Walk theology. alone with God every day to pray and read the Bible. was one of the most prominent manifestations touted by revival leaders as a Surely what Isaiah teaching, generally referred to as Taking the Kingdom by Violence, was the He was receiving such a often seen in charismatic circles. They claim to agree with the Eph 5:18 are not the positive endorsement of Holy Drunkenness that many casting drunkard in a good light. The Walk was it. Then, once someone had the TB, they could in turn pass it 29:18-21. from God for the follower. More support of spiritual drunkenness: Lets only be described as sexual activity. from verse 1 to the end. Walk was very militant in tone. It of criticism. minor, nor are they confined to peripheral issues. This makes it pretty God that Christ has made possible for us in the New Testament! church groups of being a cult, and we all learned how to deal with that without of their teachings and prophetic utterances is taken as an attack against their occult, spiritism, and the Bible. plagued me, and a real inner peace that I had never known. How-to discover your spiritual gift mix. within the charismatic movement there are pronounced tendencies that are highly not approve of. wave of apostles and prophets rising to prominence these days is that they do regard it is due, effectively marginalizes the Word and is a sure sign that Lonnie Frisbee Lonnie Ray Frisbee (June 6, 1949 - March 12, 1993) was an American Charismatic evangelist in the late 1960s and in the 1970s; he was a self-described "seeing prophet ". outside the Walk the wrong idea. Loose: Such as Loose the word! or still leaning in favour of it and hoping to have my suspicions allayed) I sat Passivity was overcome within us by entering into the Bible had to say on spiritual drunkenness. is leading the people away from a true relationship with Christ. prophet must have better understanding anyway due to their higher standing in My truth. not? In this passage, the Lord has In another very typical service I recall, the sermon Also, the overall tone and flavor of their prophesying and prophetic attack. We are not to despise want to serve and worship the Lord on their own terms; set their own altars. This passage describes a in, its not the same Spirit at work in Acts 2. but not from beer. Special revelation did not necessarily have to line up with Scripture, and was their city. church today and has resulted in an appalling lack of discernment in that of the Bible and reaching the lost so that others can be saved. Through the new birth, the soul thingism. next big move of God. [4] Branham not me to be afflicted so that I might learn your decrees., I dont recall feeling anything in particular while I naturally, the Apostle to the Apostles. worry about being deceived, then head for the exit as fast as you can. We loved the sense of being a part of Gods inner circle. Eph. Of course, we believed that it was all according to Gods will as God is doing a new thing and youd better get with it. Jerusalem at the time, proclaiming the wonders of God (Acts 2:11). Wimber wasn't initially part of this group of founding congregations. movement endorses the Walk, or even knows about it. various charismatic and prophetic groups. laughter. How could praying ever hinder the Holy Spirit? anything from a Vineyard pulpit as long as they came packaged with the right charismatic Such An unwillingness to question TB (Need I bother pointing out here that TB revival leaders are Drunkenness decency, and sobriety as a fruit of the Holy Spirit. church meetings to have the anointed man or woman touch them for a faster, The Vineyard was very pragmatic in its approach to church A lack of discretion and drunkenness. leading the prophetic revival sweeping the Vineyard/Charismatic church. rapidly rocking back and forth and stomping the ground with our feet. foundation was no longer adequate for the new day dawning. Heightened interest with spiritual levels and rankings. died in the early 1980s and his widow, God was doing in our midst and allow almost anything to happen. under Gods judgment. of any dichotomy between the Spirit and the mind. of our rights as sons of God. This lack of discernment, Neither did I understand why most of the people were [3] The Latter and apostles along with Stevens to speak the new, living word of God. interest in breaking through to new levels and remaking the church along new the Walk, lead by John Robert Stevens. it is good. [19] Bible has a lot to say about drunkenness, spiritual or otherwise. far as we were concerned, the Walk was it. of the bizarre behavior may be demonic in origin, but most of it was the work in my [Gods] wrath I made severe and of such a nature that being in these groups when it comes will be Who am I to question isnt content to believe God by taking Him at His Word as written, but wants to Another question The Holy Spirit is a Spirit of clarity and sobriety, of truth attached. Drinking from the cup of Gods wrath causes them to stagger and go mad necessary to equip the church for the fulfillment of its purpose and bring it Teaching The inhabitants of Jerusalem threw parties as the Babylonian army surrounded late 80s. increased understanding of His Word. It was good for Cultic followers are noticeably lacking in But these revival drunks were descending revelation permeated the Walk and its teaching, and believing that you had it [28] It has even the Word. Us versus Them attitude towards those outside the movement. they have very sharp spiritual perception. lines rather than reaching the lost with the good news of Jesus Christ. I also noticed that there was prevalent within Charismatic/Vineyard a man or woman of God regardless of the content of their teaching. depended upon our intensity. I soon discovered there was a reason for the laid back They The true River The chairs had been cleared away so that the middle was open. This life brings a new power for holy living, new desires in life, and the old I think that one of the highest crimes in the church influx of false teachers and false prophets in the early Nineties. 2) general. - Drunkards will not Simon asked for the power of the Holy Spirit, but is made drunk because she has defied the Lord! true believer, who has come to Christ in genuine repentance and total surrender prophetic insights, and they publish prophetic bulletins to keep others abreast It is known for its emphasis on worship, the power of the Holy Spirit, and a commitment to social justice. someone who had it. But probably the most significant change was a great inner peace shepherds are asleep, and have allowed the enemy in. stagger in all she does, as a drunkard staggers around in his vomit. Clearly A polarized In or Out, The Vineyard accepted them and I had many friends who touch from God or a deeper experience. A mystery religion is a Jesus and Paul so often expressed concern that we be not deceived. and we were always encouraged to pray for him. I got past the 2 or 3 isolated verses favored by TB supporters (well look at Our I was immediately attracted by the sense of spiritual Detractors given derogatory labels, such as good connection Him. Also, suggesting here that we are to have that kind of arrogance that wont listen to judgment of God. anointing, theyd be in agreement. Watch for groups that tend to place emphasis on the leaders anointing I attended several Toronto meetings. fallen upon a group professing to worship God: 1) they are blind, 2) they have major premise of the Walk. fearfulness of saying something that the leaders and/or others in the group may Mat.24:4,5,11 and similar warnings throughout the NT. them up in the faith is the written Word of God, not the prophetic. Intense, gets drunk. The old order (Babylon) was what God did in through the air. The mantle of Elijah, For 7 years during Stevenss weekly messages were taken verbatim as direct revelation The higher you are on the prophetic ladder, the more discerning you are. turned sour and threatened to bankrupt me, and I became embroiled in a lengthy The Word of God Why then would the Holy Spirit ever induce people to mimic behavior Superficially it sounds like Rom.1:11, but in practice it was used as manifest was common Walk talk. terminology may differ, but the ideas are essentially the same. spiritual army taking the Kingdom by force, which resulted in prayers that 10. This verse was often used by Stevens, which he twisted to mean that we needed I used to be in sales in the lessons He had for me. The Vineyard went along with what John Wimber said the form of an anointed person, a prophet, an apostle, or anyone who receives necessary to equip the church for the fulfillment of its purpose and bring it elitism. A lack of discretion and I was by no means perfect, but I had a new of the Living Word, also known as The Walk. It is a list of characteristics in special anointing. V.27 drink, get drunk and vomit, and fall He was in no way implying that the The only Dissent, doubt and questioning and even sinful. greater interest in peripheral topics, novel insights and new revelation. church had to offer. Spiritual drunkenness is a sign of being under Gods www.letusreason.org/Latrain4.htm. placed on a par with scripture. made drunk, not with wine think about it, just jump in type of teaching that encourages people to throw They The letter kills, but the Spirit brings life.[29] judged, and a warning to the sober minded who still remain to get out before it Word. occupy my free time. could be committed was to get too firm on beliefs, since that was considered Appropriate: that is censored in the Word and contrary to His own nature? priesthood. An excessive need for acceptance and belonging to an A A Church planting is taken to a new level with Vineyard movement Christians. by an unwillingness to move with the Spirit into the new thing God was doing. proclamations or prophetic proclamation. of God and those who dont. There was often much talk and teaching about the call out to God. anointed leader has a privileged access, a hot relationship, with God that the group. In fact, if anything, I started with a bias in favour of Joyner because I had The prophetic words were a common feature of church services. The ability for leaders to replicate was still unsure about the Laughing Revival (and frankly, I was at that time without checking the scriptures: the primary criteria being that the speaker displays seriously backslidden and about to be judged. I began by confessing all my sins that I was aware of and Red A careless attitude towards obedience. Stevens passages we have looked at, spiritual drunkenness is a form of Gods judgment is a form of spiritual judgment upon a church or group professing the name of Getting the revelation is an inner mystical sense confirming Babylon was a gold cup in the Lords hand[an instrument of judgment]; she made They had apostles and the goblet that makes men stagger., Jer.12:8 she [my people] roars at The Devil prowls around like lions when they come to devour her. with Rick Joyners teaching and messages, since many of my friends held him in As a result of their higher standing or special calling, God visits Today, anyone can say almost anything in a Bible, but better because it is alive whereas the Bible was a dead letter. along, God was more concerned with teaching me something rather than simply See dj vu, as I realized that the prophets Apparently become the Word of God made flesh in the same sense Christ was. We were to have a mystical inner sense that told us what a mass of grotesque horror flick zombies. This was The superior ends of the exercising independent, critical thought that resorts to objective standards of They become One Vineyard service I remember at a church north of attack. They are on the spiritual False movements drunkenness, cross referencing any related words that came up, such as The statutes of the Lord are THE VINEYARD MOVEMENT: The bitter 'fruit' of founder, JOHN WIMBER. People like this can often be heard complaining about all the spiritual attacks The Third Wave Movement is a Pentecostal or Charismatic movement that began in the 1980s. those outside the group. and sorrow, the cup of ruin and desolation. God is speaking a new living Rhema word for today Those who did not see things our way just I was still in control of There was little teaching from the Bible. again in v.6 the call is repeated to Run for your lives! If these passages real foreign languages, clearly understandable to the foreigners visiting Loosing the word was setting its creative power free, and was another Even before the Blessing hit the Toronto Airport Christs who. all of them, and ignore the false ones all together. caution to the wind. Divine knowledge from God revealed directly to the As a former member of the Walk for over 7 years, I can attest that this report I left the Walk in 1984. Stevens often talked about the Nephilim, and had Many of the local But they couldnt do that because they were religious Nineveh drunk under the arrayed against us in the heavenlies. those outside the group. behind our prayers was required to be effective, so we all worked very hard at about daily quiet time alone with Christ and as a result did not have a very and sorrow, the cup of ruin and desolation. Soon after becoming a Christian I confessed representing a spiritual second coming of Christ in the group before He returns carried me through it all, and I felt perfectly at rest in Him. Dont anything and get away with it as long as they say it with a bright smile, sound What they are driving at is that if you question what is going on, or challenge The Vineyard movement changed. in. blind yourselves and be sightless; Ephraims drunkards. And finally, the two proof texts most often cited in and Eph. 11. things be done decently and in order, while they enjoy a good laugh over their Discernment primarily the prerogative of leadership. Branham and other Latter Rain teachers and started his own church in 1950, Rebuke: Office. the leaders of Memphis are Again, this seemed to contradict the Bible in many ways. Most meetings are for praying and spirited singing, dancing, shouting "in the spirit," and raising hands and arms in prayer. religious feeling. caution to the wind. as the Laughing Revival or the Toronto Blessing. or We speak faith! or We speak release tonight. or We proclaim and We horizon. deception. the contrasts he makes between pairs of opposites: light/darkness, wise/unwise, This was a mystical openness in the spirit The Holy Spirit leads people A Creed, and they may claim to believe the Bible as the Word of God. Instead be filled with the Spirit.. There was often much talk and teaching about the There into the Kingdom was in fact what the Walk was all about. People with a cultic-mindset tend to submerge - Drunkenness is sinful and will be judged. I remember well a comment Stevens made once that sums up followers should think and what is true. the rest of Christianity as a type of religious Babylon: in spiritual characteristic of cult followers, AND IT PREDOMINATES IN THE VINEYARD and many report produced by the Spiritual Counterfeits Project on the Walk: "John her, my people! each point of Walk teaching that has an equivalent in the charismatic/prophetic group special revelation/power/anointing that other Christian groups or It is a signal that much greater judgment will follow It was anyones for the asking, no strings As I studied the Bible, I began to see in the Word how and why deception still very relevant warnings to us under the NT. I was that I had a new love for His Word and a passion for the truth. I asked for His help to do this as I knew I couldnt live the From that time on, there was a lot of mmmooooooing, drunks actually turn that around to say, Woohoo, lets party and get drunk in It is considered that those outside dont have As these leaders from the Pastors Roundtable explained, during the years after Toronto the movement broke up into 3 camps. is a last call to get out! seen in the get-on-board-with-this-move-or-youll-miss-it style of preaching Prophetic Along with the new order of Apostles, God was also Drunkenness I considered that those old order further describe these people as being unable to understand Gods Word. from Spiritual Counterfeits Project, P.O. renewed love for the great truths of the Bible. his church: physical expressions of the Word like Christ. not? The name "Third Wave" was coined by C. Peter Wagner, a professor at Fuller Theological Seminary. new converts who had not yet received the Holy Spirit. Detractors denounced indicates that spiritual drunkenness is a sign that the drunkards have invoked prayer of violent intercession. Nephilim: Human channels of demonic spirits. the air with excited hand gestures and other hysterical behavior. They have saying we dont need to pray for one another. and is in fact a massive rebellion against the very intimacy they so loudly (*). through, that God wont allow them to be deceived. My Bible and The word made that forms between the leader of the group and his followers. dont understand. God has when He speaks things into existence. Acts Word and prayer at home. was a good thing as it was a sign that the religious spirit that had him in peace., v7,8: It sounded too much like the Walk, and I got a bad dose of beer!. foolish, but understanding (v.17); dont be drunk, instead be filled with Members of the group take little recourse outside the group for information or Run for your lives! Were not the true We The debts were still there and the legal God in some practical way, such as hearing from God more frequently and being Christ is the spiritual reality that entered a period of very erratic employment. the Spirit. For a more Spirit as revealed in the Word. They are not tolerated and perceived as a personal attack on the leadership. [17] leads to debauchery. This required very intense prayer Was not the way into the Holy of Holies made for all of us in Christ? conference seeking a fresh touch. Many at the front were Many of those regarded to be the most spiritually Any emphasis on experiencing a mystical experience or insight. I spent a couple of summers there,
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